HYH Meeting 2012-12-13

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Agenda

• Note Taker: FIXME
• Moderator: FIXME
• Number of Members Present: FIXME

Announcements

• Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know?
• Any happenings that people should be aware of?

Financial Report

• Funds in bank: ##FIXME## (Can be seen at Financial Report.)

Proposals

Card Access for Mark 'Trunk' Kirschenbaum

• Proposal by Jacob Rosenthal
• Proposed on Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:11:08 -0700

Did you see Mark's hot topics on how hes taken his ideas from prototype to
reality? Perhaps you've seen him online here where hes been looking to help
set up more classes for you all. Or maybe hes helped you out at the lab
while doing awesome hacking on his own projects?

I think hed like to finally get his card access and I'd like to sponsor
him.

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Discussion

• RESULT: #FIXME#

Block nodejs.org

• Proposal by Ryan Mcdermott
• Proposed on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:11:16 -0700

Node still isn't in a 1.0 release, and I feel as though it is our
responsibility to protect people from it.  An unwitting newbie my
accidentally download node.js and DIE.

Please redirect anybody trying to load nodejs.org to this website:
http://codeslinger.posterous.com/if-youre-using-nodejs-youre-doing-life-wrong

-Ryan

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Discussion

• RESULT: #FIXME#

Drink System moves to being a complete honors system.

• Proposal by Chad Stearns
• Proposed on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:39:46 -0800 (PST)

Hey guys,

As you know, we have a fridge up front that contains a lot of drinks which 
the lab pays for. We pay for it by providing a jar, and requesting that 
people put money in it when they take a drink. This is what I would 
describe as a partial honors system. Heatsync spends its own money to buy 
drinks, but it relies on people paying for the drinks out of the goodness 
of their heart. There is no enforcement to make sure people pay when they 
take a drink.

I think this has its problems. The process involves what I recognize to be 
three parts:

1. Since heatsync is buying the drinks, we have to account for it, and 
collect it. This takes effort and record keeping. 
2. From there once we have deposited it into a bank account, we have to 
find a vendor and buy drinks from them often in a impersonal and convoluted 
manner.
3.  Along the way we need some kind of survey mechanism to find out what 
drinks people want.

Each one of these three parts has had its problems. Regarding (1) we have 
at times mis-recorded, or failed to collect money. (2) we have had problems 
with the reliability and pricing of our vendor. And (3) is that sometimes 
we order drinks no one really likes. 

So whats the alternative? Well first let me tell you a story.

Recently we had no drinks at all. Tim Gerrits took matters into his own 
hands and took money out of the drink jar then went to the store and bought 
drinks. He didnt do it because he had to, he did it because he recognized 
it as easier and simpler than waiting around for our bureaucratic system do 
get those drinks. In doing it himself I think he actually got a better 
deal. As the treasurer, I cant really tolerate someone just grabbing 
heatsync's money and spending it. But at the same time, I dont honestly 
think the alternative is a better way. Recently we ran out of water, and I 
didnt have cash. I was tempted to just take some of heatsyncs money and buy 
water. But in doing so it would really not have been accounted for at all. 
So right now, we are collecting money, and buying drinks, but we are only 
managing to record some unknown percent of the spending/collection. The 
data about how much we are collecting and spending for drinks its 
meaningless. 

Here is what I propose:

*Complete Honors system:*
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Lets replace the drink jar, with some kind of container. Some group of 
people will have access to this container, and they will go and buy drinks 
when they want to.

*Pre-emptive rebuttals:*
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1. It could be argued that this opens us up to all kinds of un-policeable 
corruption, in which people constantly steal money from innocent donors. 
That certainly could be done, but I think the optimistic hacker spirit that 
we all share chooses to believe that realistically people wont take 
advantage of this. Or, at least it wont be taken advantage of to an extent 
to makes it relatively worse to what we have now.

2. What group has spending privileged? I dont know! Lets argue about this. 
We could just have a jar, which gives everyone the capacity to take money 
and spend it. If thats too open for you, we could put it under lock and 
key, and give some group of people keys. Or we could give one person a key 
and when someone else wants drinks the key-holder can open the box for them.

-ChadCS

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Discussion

• RESULT: #FIXME#

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